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		<title>By: Charles Kiyanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Kiyanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment. I&#039;d like to clarify though, I do think that scientists are aware of copyright laws. We hear about this often enough to know at least the basics of the system. I get the feeling we&#039;re more in a state of willful blindness than blissful ignorance.

The PLOS is a great initiative. As I said above, the basic idea of how we WANT to communicate science is fine. How we IMPLEMENT it today is something else. I&#039;m not all that familiar with PLOS, but my understanding is that it&#039;s open (free) access and the rights are kept with the publishing scientist(s). PLOS does have limitations.

1- it charges the authors for publishing their article. At the core, I have nothing against it. Someone has to pay for it. From the looks of their webpage, it seems quite a hefty fee. They do have fee waivers if you don&#039;t have funds, so this is probably one of the reasons why the fee is so high. The people that get waivers have to be offset by the paying users. I&#039;ve had argued to me by a journal editor (a good type, I quite enjoyed discussing with him when I had access to him) that there were only 2 business models available. &quot;Either the person who reads pays or the person who publishes pays. In the end, someone has to pay the fee.&quot; (I&#039;m paraphrasing, this was over a year ago, I don&#039;t remember the exact words.) I don&#039;t agree with that statement. First, we should make the system almost completely an online one. This brings the publishing costs to a bare minimum. (There are still costs associated with moving bits of information instead of stacks of glossy paper, but it&#039;s much lower. Plus it&#039;s more ecological, presumably.) The only piece of information I would distribute on paper form, and only if it is requested, is a digest of the new articles on the site or a summary of the ones that may interest you. I&#039;d much rather send that information via e-mail though. Second, I&#039;d offset the remaining costs with advertising. Yes, I said it, advertising. People don&#039;t like advertising, yet we put up with it even as scientist in large distribution scientific publications. Think &quot;Physics Today&quot;, etc. I believe that advertising well done can be a benefit for the user. Think &quot;Amazon&quot;. Seriously. Anyone&#039;s who&#039;s looked at more than 5 products (not even bought them) on Amazon knows exactly what I&#039;m talking about. You can&#039;t lie and claim that the &quot;Here&#039;s a product you might like&quot; section isn&#039;t always spot on. Unobstrusive, well-targeted, thoughtful and visually appealing advertising can be a added value for the user and a revenue stream for the maintainer of the system. Yes, I said it, I&#039;m sorry. Advertising-supported, (not necessarily) peer-reviewed, scientific publication. Hate me if you will, I think it has potential.

2- PLOS is limited to biology/genetics/medicine. I guess I should call it Health Sciences. This isn&#039;t really a bad thing. It&#039;s a business decision. At the beginning, Facebook was only meant as a platform for university students. Maybe PLOS will expand, I don&#039;t know. I&#039;d like it if it did, though.

3- (And probably the only real criticism:) PLOS is limited to conventional expressions of scientific results. By this I mean that what you get from PLOS is a collection of bar graphs, texts and fixed graphics. To be fair, this is not only the state of just about every single scientific publication today, but PLOS is also showing signs of improvements. There&#039;s this new thing, called a &quot;SciVee&quot;. I think it&#039;s at www.scivee.tv. I&#039;m not a huge fan. Basically the idea is that once your paper is published, you can go and make a video explaining your paper. Then, you attach the video to the paper on the site. It&#039;s an improvement. It&#039;s a step. Not a leap, not a bound and not a revolution. It&#039;s a step in the right direction. Ultimately, I think the format of scientific expressions has to explode. The only reason why we&#039;ve used bar graphs, text and static images is because, until now, that&#039;s the only thing we knew how to publish. Those were the limitations of the medium. Well not anymore. By making the papers directly available online, there&#039;s nothing stopping you from attaching executable code to your paper (hopefully, nobody puts viruses there). Maybe some people would want to attach source code. I can&#039;t count the number of instances where I read a paper titled &quot;A new algorithm for...&quot; with no reference to a webpage with an actual nuts&amp;bolts implementation of that algorithm in a language. An algorithm in mathematical form is necessary, an implementation in a known computer language is useful. Why not attach movies? High resolution computer simulations today can generate great movies and it&#039;s sometimes actually informative to watch them. There are some conferences offering that option now, but it&#039;s not all of them and it&#039;s still mostly in its infancy. But why stop there? How about having plots that move? I&#039;ve often wanted to plot something and wished I could have a moving plot where the line I&#039;m showing would move as a parameter is changed. Unfortunately, we can&#039;t publish that today. I submitted an abstract recently where I had to hammer at the text for 2 days to make it fit in the 4 page limit (ah yes, don&#039;t get me started about page limits) when I could have cut out an entire page if I only would have had an animated figure.

In essence, that&#039;s my take on PLOS. I&#039;m not saying PLOS is bad. PLOS is here to stay and I&#039;m all for any organizationi that offers free access to science with the copyright squarely in the hands of the publishing scientist(s). Everything else is an argument about how to implement the perfect system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. I&#8217;d like to clarify though, I do think that scientists are aware of copyright laws. We hear about this often enough to know at least the basics of the system. I get the feeling we&#8217;re more in a state of willful blindness than blissful ignorance.</p>
<p>The PLOS is a great initiative. As I said above, the basic idea of how we WANT to communicate science is fine. How we IMPLEMENT it today is something else. I&#8217;m not all that familiar with PLOS, but my understanding is that it&#8217;s open (free) access and the rights are kept with the publishing scientist(s). PLOS does have limitations.</p>
<p>1- it charges the authors for publishing their article. At the core, I have nothing against it. Someone has to pay for it. From the looks of their webpage, it seems quite a hefty fee. They do have fee waivers if you don&#8217;t have funds, so this is probably one of the reasons why the fee is so high. The people that get waivers have to be offset by the paying users. I&#8217;ve had argued to me by a journal editor (a good type, I quite enjoyed discussing with him when I had access to him) that there were only 2 business models available. &#8220;Either the person who reads pays or the person who publishes pays. In the end, someone has to pay the fee.&#8221; (I&#8217;m paraphrasing, this was over a year ago, I don&#8217;t remember the exact words.) I don&#8217;t agree with that statement. First, we should make the system almost completely an online one. This brings the publishing costs to a bare minimum. (There are still costs associated with moving bits of information instead of stacks of glossy paper, but it&#8217;s much lower. Plus it&#8217;s more ecological, presumably.) The only piece of information I would distribute on paper form, and only if it is requested, is a digest of the new articles on the site or a summary of the ones that may interest you. I&#8217;d much rather send that information via e-mail though. Second, I&#8217;d offset the remaining costs with advertising. Yes, I said it, advertising. People don&#8217;t like advertising, yet we put up with it even as scientist in large distribution scientific publications. Think &#8220;Physics Today&#8221;, etc. I believe that advertising well done can be a benefit for the user. Think &#8220;Amazon&#8221;. Seriously. Anyone&#8217;s who&#8217;s looked at more than 5 products (not even bought them) on Amazon knows exactly what I&#8217;m talking about. You can&#8217;t lie and claim that the &#8220;Here&#8217;s a product you might like&#8221; section isn&#8217;t always spot on. Unobstrusive, well-targeted, thoughtful and visually appealing advertising can be a added value for the user and a revenue stream for the maintainer of the system. Yes, I said it, I&#8217;m sorry. Advertising-supported, (not necessarily) peer-reviewed, scientific publication. Hate me if you will, I think it has potential.</p>
<p>2- PLOS is limited to biology/genetics/medicine. I guess I should call it Health Sciences. This isn&#8217;t really a bad thing. It&#8217;s a business decision. At the beginning, Facebook was only meant as a platform for university students. Maybe PLOS will expand, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d like it if it did, though.</p>
<p>3- (And probably the only real criticism:) PLOS is limited to conventional expressions of scientific results. By this I mean that what you get from PLOS is a collection of bar graphs, texts and fixed graphics. To be fair, this is not only the state of just about every single scientific publication today, but PLOS is also showing signs of improvements. There&#8217;s this new thing, called a &#8220;SciVee&#8221;. I think it&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.scivee.tv" rel="nofollow">http://www.scivee.tv</a>. I&#8217;m not a huge fan. Basically the idea is that once your paper is published, you can go and make a video explaining your paper. Then, you attach the video to the paper on the site. It&#8217;s an improvement. It&#8217;s a step. Not a leap, not a bound and not a revolution. It&#8217;s a step in the right direction. Ultimately, I think the format of scientific expressions has to explode. The only reason why we&#8217;ve used bar graphs, text and static images is because, until now, that&#8217;s the only thing we knew how to publish. Those were the limitations of the medium. Well not anymore. By making the papers directly available online, there&#8217;s nothing stopping you from attaching executable code to your paper (hopefully, nobody puts viruses there). Maybe some people would want to attach source code. I can&#8217;t count the number of instances where I read a paper titled &#8220;A new algorithm for&#8230;&#8221; with no reference to a webpage with an actual nuts&#038;bolts implementation of that algorithm in a language. An algorithm in mathematical form is necessary, an implementation in a known computer language is useful. Why not attach movies? High resolution computer simulations today can generate great movies and it&#8217;s sometimes actually informative to watch them. There are some conferences offering that option now, but it&#8217;s not all of them and it&#8217;s still mostly in its infancy. But why stop there? How about having plots that move? I&#8217;ve often wanted to plot something and wished I could have a moving plot where the line I&#8217;m showing would move as a parameter is changed. Unfortunately, we can&#8217;t publish that today. I submitted an abstract recently where I had to hammer at the text for 2 days to make it fit in the 4 page limit (ah yes, don&#8217;t get me started about page limits) when I could have cut out an entire page if I only would have had an animated figure.</p>
<p>In essence, that&#8217;s my take on PLOS. I&#8217;m not saying PLOS is bad. PLOS is here to stay and I&#8217;m all for any organizationi that offers free access to science with the copyright squarely in the hands of the publishing scientist(s). Everything else is an argument about how to implement the perfect system.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://blog.charleskiyanda.com/2007/11/07/science-and-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts on the PLOS, what do you think of it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts on the PLOS, what do you think of it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://blog.charleskiyanda.com/2007/11/07/science-and-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Charles, very well-thought and articulate.  I had never heard of PRISM before since I&#039;m not in the same universe as you, being in social sciences, but I paid a visit on their website and their objectives regarding copyrights appear worrisome.  The scientific community really ought to familiarize itself with actual copyright laws, and their implication.  At the same time, it should pay a close eye to  the emerging trend from private interest groups, which are willing to seriously hamper the sharing of knowledge, crucial to the improvement of the well-being of humanity, for purely pecuniary motives.  

I agree to a certain extent that intellectual property must be protected as to allow an economic motive to generate investment and research, but not at the price of &quot;imprisoning knowledge&quot;.  The Creative Commons license is a good place to start. and innovative initiatives like the Public Library of Science (www.plos.org) are beggining to bear fruit.   There is hope :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Charles, very well-thought and articulate.  I had never heard of PRISM before since I&#8217;m not in the same universe as you, being in social sciences, but I paid a visit on their website and their objectives regarding copyrights appear worrisome.  The scientific community really ought to familiarize itself with actual copyright laws, and their implication.  At the same time, it should pay a close eye to  the emerging trend from private interest groups, which are willing to seriously hamper the sharing of knowledge, crucial to the improvement of the well-being of humanity, for purely pecuniary motives.  </p>
<p>I agree to a certain extent that intellectual property must be protected as to allow an economic motive to generate investment and research, but not at the price of &#8220;imprisoning knowledge&#8221;.  The Creative Commons license is a good place to start. and innovative initiatives like the Public Library of Science (www.plos.org) are beggining to bear fruit.   There is hope <img src='http://blog.charleskiyanda.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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